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		<title>By: rodinhood</title>
		<link>http://rodinhood.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/ad-networks-go-and-going-bust/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>rodinhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, your insights are indeed enlightening. The big 10 advertising agencies are very much kicking and alive and hence I wonder who these mysterious blue chip clients of Adrevenue are that went under!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, your insights are indeed enlightening. The big 10 advertising agencies are very much kicking and alive and hence I wonder who these mysterious blue chip clients of Adrevenue are that went under!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Crespo</title>
		<link>http://rodinhood.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/ad-networks-go-and-going-bust/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Crespo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To suggest that the downfall of Adrevenue/Adsmart was due to non-payment by third parties is simply not true.

The majority of the business done in the UK is via Agencies - advertiser budget is signed off before it is allocated to the various networks and sites and therefore even if they were to go under the agreement is between the network and the agency.

This lack of  understanding of what the core business was actually about   is far more likely the cause for the companies demise than the actions of a third party - Adrevenue was a business which made money during the &quot;boom&quot;, caught some lucky waves and had some good if undervalued resources.

Other than that there was little of value - publisher loyalty was actually one of the main plus points - but with comments as above its unlikely to remain that way at any new company this man is involved with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To suggest that the downfall of Adrevenue/Adsmart was due to non-payment by third parties is simply not true.</p>
<p>The majority of the business done in the UK is via Agencies &#8211; advertiser budget is signed off before it is allocated to the various networks and sites and therefore even if they were to go under the agreement is between the network and the agency.</p>
<p>This lack of  understanding of what the core business was actually about   is far more likely the cause for the companies demise than the actions of a third party &#8211; Adrevenue was a business which made money during the &#8220;boom&#8221;, caught some lucky waves and had some good if undervalued resources.</p>
<p>Other than that there was little of value &#8211; publisher loyalty was actually one of the main plus points &#8211; but with comments as above its unlikely to remain that way at any new company this man is involved with.</p>
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		<title>By: rodinhood</title>
		<link>http://rodinhood.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/ad-networks-go-and-going-bust/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>rodinhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what happens when a few more leading advertisers go bust in your new firm?

Is that another really expensive lunch that publishers have to pay up?

Or will there be a new incentive to earn back breakfast (half the lunch) for signing up yet for the 3rd attempt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what happens when a few more leading advertisers go bust in your new firm?</p>
<p>Is that another really expensive lunch that publishers have to pay up?</p>
<p>Or will there be a new incentive to earn back breakfast (half the lunch) for signing up yet for the 3rd attempt?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Quarterman</title>
		<link>http://rodinhood.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/ad-networks-go-and-going-bust/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Quarterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was equally shocked when I learnt that significant advertisers in the UK had gone bust. These are mainstream highstreet brands that advertised through Adrevenue.

When a few large organisations leave you carrying the can for ad campaigns already delivered but not paid for it is a difficult situation.

In the UK you are not allowed to trade if you are insolvent. So whilst we had good forthcomming ad campaigns on our books we could not trade or take the campaigns.

It is a tough situation when you spend 10 years of your life building a company like Adrevenue only to find that in an economic down turn you loose the lot.

The good news is that most of the publishers have stuck with us, when you are doing £5mill a year and paying out 55-60% to your publisher base the appreciate what they have earnt over the years - I glad the loyal ones have a pragmatic longer term view and not worried about small change like £500 quid (not even a good meal in The Imperial Hotel in New Delhi ;o)

Yes, it &#039;shucks&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was equally shocked when I learnt that significant advertisers in the UK had gone bust. These are mainstream highstreet brands that advertised through Adrevenue.</p>
<p>When a few large organisations leave you carrying the can for ad campaigns already delivered but not paid for it is a difficult situation.</p>
<p>In the UK you are not allowed to trade if you are insolvent. So whilst we had good forthcomming ad campaigns on our books we could not trade or take the campaigns.</p>
<p>It is a tough situation when you spend 10 years of your life building a company like Adrevenue only to find that in an economic down turn you loose the lot.</p>
<p>The good news is that most of the publishers have stuck with us, when you are doing £5mill a year and paying out 55-60% to your publisher base the appreciate what they have earnt over the years &#8211; I glad the loyal ones have a pragmatic longer term view and not worried about small change like £500 quid (not even a good meal in The Imperial Hotel in New Delhi ;o)</p>
<p>Yes, it &#8217;shucks&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: UK AdSmart Ad Network Goes Bust</title>
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		<dc:creator>UK AdSmart Ad Network Goes Bust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] several sites that will now be out of pocket from this closure, such as Games2win who has already published an article about their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] several sites that will now be out of pocket from this closure, such as Games2win who has already published an article about their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jassim</title>
		<link>http://rodinhood.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/ad-networks-go-and-going-bust/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>jassim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The medium in India is still driven by the digital &#039;departments&#039; of mass media companies..while this is great in terms of finance and having a safety net, it is also prone to face &#039;frog in a well&#039; issues which drives away talent and eventually brings mostly &#039;sons of dilbert&#039; who look at desi-fying or bootlegging succesful concepts probably inspired by bollywood.

I mean after the matrimony websites, the industry is yet to crack an original killer idea which works with the masses in India.

At the sametime adrevenue is still being driven by either direct sales to agencies or via networks/ad aggregators both of which are cyclical and dependent on multiple factors on which they don&#039;t have much control...

I guess monetisation would move increasingly from a one time fulfilment of a view/click into a model based on lifetime value of a visitor and how a media company could enhance that relationship via content,credibility and commerce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The medium in India is still driven by the digital &#8216;departments&#8217; of mass media companies..while this is great in terms of finance and having a safety net, it is also prone to face &#8216;frog in a well&#8217; issues which drives away talent and eventually brings mostly &#8217;sons of dilbert&#8217; who look at desi-fying or bootlegging succesful concepts probably inspired by bollywood.</p>
<p>I mean after the matrimony websites, the industry is yet to crack an original killer idea which works with the masses in India.</p>
<p>At the sametime adrevenue is still being driven by either direct sales to agencies or via networks/ad aggregators both of which are cyclical and dependent on multiple factors on which they don&#8217;t have much control&#8230;</p>
<p>I guess monetisation would move increasingly from a one time fulfilment of a view/click into a model based on lifetime value of a visitor and how a media company could enhance that relationship via content,credibility and commerce.</p>
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		<title>By: rodinhood</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodinhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 05:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant the Economy per se. The Internet economy is actually much better protected given its unique strengths. In my mind, the 2 year period starts from January 09. I really like your question about the Indian sites and their purpose and viability. All the &#039;me-too&#039;s&#039; are redundant. I cant understand why a social networking site in India makes sense when 70% of India youth are already on Orkut! I guess the differentiators will be unique content, local offering etc etc. Take the case of games2win.com - we are aggressively chasing global eyeballs coz we are not unique enough for India and even if we were, the business is too small to bother about 

To be honest, ad revenues is a much maligned word - its the business engine of Google! In India, the Star&#039;s, Zee&#039;s and Sony&#039;s run on Ad Revenue given that subscription sucks. I think its just become a good bashing point conversation at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant the Economy per se. The Internet economy is actually much better protected given its unique strengths. In my mind, the 2 year period starts from January 09. I really like your question about the Indian sites and their purpose and viability. All the &#8216;me-too&#8217;s&#8217; are redundant. I cant understand why a social networking site in India makes sense when 70% of India youth are already on Orkut! I guess the differentiators will be unique content, local offering etc etc. Take the case of games2win.com &#8211; we are aggressively chasing global eyeballs coz we are not unique enough for India and even if we were, the business is too small to bother about </p>
<p>To be honest, ad revenues is a much maligned word &#8211; its the business engine of Google! In India, the Star&#8217;s, Zee&#8217;s and Sony&#8217;s run on Ad Revenue given that subscription sucks. I think its just become a good bashing point conversation at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: anon2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alok,

Couple of questions...

You speak of &quot;Downturn&quot;...is that in internet media or generally in entire enconomy?  And when you say 2 years, did that period start last year or this year?

Pure Indian internet players are still limited to content-heavy sites like TOI etc. Otherwise indians are just going to global sites like google, yahoo, ebay etc.  Is that true?  Whats the long term play for desi sites...if ad monetization won&#039;t work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alok,</p>
<p>Couple of questions&#8230;</p>
<p>You speak of &#8220;Downturn&#8221;&#8230;is that in internet media or generally in entire enconomy?  And when you say 2 years, did that period start last year or this year?</p>
<p>Pure Indian internet players are still limited to content-heavy sites like TOI etc. Otherwise indians are just going to global sites like google, yahoo, ebay etc.  Is that true?  Whats the long term play for desi sites&#8230;if ad monetization won&#8217;t work?</p>
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		<title>By: rodinhood</title>
		<link>http://rodinhood.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/ad-networks-go-and-going-bust/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>rodinhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a great point. The &#039;disintermediation&#039; of Ad Networks that come only from the &#039;technology&#039; side and just tie up with the likes of WPP and Publicis will be obliterated. And its not easy to build relationships with brands. Trust me on that. It takes years and years... So, Jassim you are very correct on - I won&#039;t be suprised if tomorrow Lintas, Madison and Mindshare in India quickly snap up failing ad networks for probably just their cost of servers etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a great point. The &#8216;disintermediation&#8217; of Ad Networks that come only from the &#8216;technology&#8217; side and just tie up with the likes of WPP and Publicis will be obliterated. And its not easy to build relationships with brands. Trust me on that. It takes years and years&#8230; So, Jassim you are very correct on &#8211; I won&#8217;t be suprised if tomorrow Lintas, Madison and Mindshare in India quickly snap up failing ad networks for probably just their cost of servers etc</p>
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		<title>By: Jassim</title>
		<link>http://rodinhood.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/ad-networks-go-and-going-bust/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Jassim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adnetworks thrived at time when there wasnt too many options for the longtail publishers and startups, but as you could see larger platforms such as Google Adsense is forming partnerships with agencies directly, the big budgets would always move there. Most adnetworks fail to build relationships with agencies and still peddle their wares as a commodity.Check out a new opensource model from publicis called ViVaki, i guess this is a prototype of an integrated trading platform for buyers and sellers to converge and eliminate inherent inefficiencies....So do we still think the adnetwork model could survive in it current state ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adnetworks thrived at time when there wasnt too many options for the longtail publishers and startups, but as you could see larger platforms such as Google Adsense is forming partnerships with agencies directly, the big budgets would always move there. Most adnetworks fail to build relationships with agencies and still peddle their wares as a commodity.Check out a new opensource model from publicis called ViVaki, i guess this is a prototype of an integrated trading platform for buyers and sellers to converge and eliminate inherent inefficiencies&#8230;.So do we still think the adnetwork model could survive in it current state ?</p>
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